Of course, people are now eagerly leaping to conclusions and claiming that Slipknot are Satanic, and dear old Corey is telling his fans to go out and kill people.
"Pierre Eksteen, who is in charge of a school support network for children, told reporters outside the deserted school grounds that Satanic music was probably the cause of the attack. "We know the wrong kind of music, and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music," said Eksteen."
Source article: news24.com
As opposed to good Satanic music? Before reading that story, I read an even 'better' one - which claimed that Slipknot, among other bands, are active Satanists, recruiting innocent listeners and influencing them to perpetrate violence in the name of Satan.
Wait a sec... If Slipknot are deemed Satanic, what would they think of my music preferences? Good heavens, I must be listening to music straight out of the ninth circle of Hell itself, recorded by none other than Satan in his state-of-the-art recording studio, released under the label of Brimstone Records.
I guess they aren't called 'Horns' for nothing.
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
While I am a big fan of rocknroll and metal, the roots of these musical movements come straight from Alestair Crowley. Black Sabath (obviously enough they are evil just from the name)basically worshipped this monster who was one of the most famous satanists of the last century. His "law" stated that "do as you want will be the whole of the law"
Sounds innocent enough, but this is exactly what satanism is all about, not so much slaugtering cats but anarchy, no-rules, chaos and self destruction. God Created an ordered universe and He created order in nature and He gave us Rules so we won't kill ourselves. All the rules and guidelines given by the Bible are actually good for you. Sin destoys.
Secondly I refer you to my post on drugs and satanism. Whichcraft, shamaism, wicca are all forms of worshiping evil. Jim Morrison was called the electric shaman because he was practising demon worship through drug abuse.
Slipknot definitely falls into this category of self loathing anarchy and is based on that already satanic in my view, but definately BAD FOR THE LISTENER based on logic.
anyone that can sing " I wanna slit your thoat and f#$% the wound" is messed up evil and not something you can call good on any level.
Sounds innocent enough, but this is exactly what satanism is all about, not so much slaugtering cats but anarchy, no-rules, chaos and self destruction. God Created an ordered universe and He created order in nature and He gave us Rules so we won't kill ourselves. All the rules and guidelines given by the Bible are actually good for you. Sin destoys.
Secondly I refer you to my post on drugs and satanism. Whichcraft, shamaism, wicca are all forms of worshiping evil. Jim Morrison was called the electric shaman because he was practising demon worship through drug abuse.
Slipknot definitely falls into this category of self loathing anarchy and is based on that already satanic in my view, but definately BAD FOR THE LISTENER based on logic.
anyone that can sing " I wanna slit your thoat and f#$% the wound" is messed up evil and not something you can call good on any level.
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
While I am a big fan of rocknroll and metal, the roots of these musical movements come straight from Alestair Crowley. Black Sabath (obviously enough they are evil just from the name)basically worshipped this monster who was one of the most famous satanists of the last century. His "law" stated that "do as you want will be the whole of the law"
Sounds innocent enough, but this is exactly what satanism is all about, not so much slaugtering cats but anarchy, no-rules, chaos and self destruction. God Created an ordered universe and He created order in nature and He gave us Rules so we won't kill ourselves. All the rules and guidelines given by the Bible are actually good for you. Sin destoys.
Secondly I refer you to my post on drugs and satanism. Whichcraft, shamaism, wicca are all forms of worshiping evil. Jim Morrison was called the electric shaman because he was practising demon worship through drug abuse.
Slipknot definitely falls into this category of self loathing anarchy and is based on that already satanic in my view, but definately BAD FOR THE LISTENER based on logic.
anyone that can sing " I wanna slit your thoat and f#$% the wound" is messed up evil and not something you can call good on any level.
Sounds innocent enough, but this is exactly what satanism is all about, not so much slaugtering cats but anarchy, no-rules, chaos and self destruction. God Created an ordered universe and He created order in nature and He gave us Rules so we won't kill ourselves. All the rules and guidelines given by the Bible are actually good for you. Sin destoys.
Secondly I refer you to my post on drugs and satanism. Whichcraft, shamaism, wicca are all forms of worshiping evil. Jim Morrison was called the electric shaman because he was practising demon worship through drug abuse.
Slipknot definitely falls into this category of self loathing anarchy and is based on that already satanic in my view, but definately BAD FOR THE LISTENER based on logic.
anyone that can sing " I wanna slit your thoat and f#$% the wound" is messed up evil and not something you can call good on any level.
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written by Dissol, August 20, 2008
All these comments remind me of the satirical film (& band!) Tenacious D. Very funny stuff - there are some wonderful performances by 'real' rock stars like Meatloaf.
I think basically, you can read what you like into many lyrics. For example, I enjoy listening to Pink Floyd (and that shows my age!), and I find many of the lyrics quite thought-provoking, even moving. And yet, I have a close friend, who also enjoys listening to Pink Floyd (we went to see them in concert together at Earls court many years ago (which was recorded - and became the Pulse CD/DVD). He gets completely different meanings from the lyrics. Then I recorded a documentary about the band (including interviewing Roger Waters), and they admitted that even they are not sure what all the lyrics mean...oh the life of boooze, sex, drugs & rock 'n roll!!
But I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment. If you look at Floyd now, they look like retired bank managers!! Wait, given their personal fortunes, they probably own banks!!
I think basically, you can read what you like into many lyrics. For example, I enjoy listening to Pink Floyd (and that shows my age!), and I find many of the lyrics quite thought-provoking, even moving. And yet, I have a close friend, who also enjoys listening to Pink Floyd (we went to see them in concert together at Earls court many years ago (which was recorded - and became the Pulse CD/DVD). He gets completely different meanings from the lyrics. Then I recorded a documentary about the band (including interviewing Roger Waters), and they admitted that even they are not sure what all the lyrics mean...oh the life of boooze, sex, drugs & rock 'n roll!!
But I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment. If you look at Floyd now, they look like retired bank managers!! Wait, given their personal fortunes, they probably own banks!!
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written by Dissol, August 20, 2008
All these comments remind me of the satirical film (& band!) Tenacious D. Very funny stuff - there are some wonderful performances by 'real' rock stars like Meatloaf.
I think basically, you can read what you like into many lyrics. For example, I enjoy listening to Pink Floyd (and that shows my age!), and I find many of the lyrics quite thought-provoking, even moving. And yet, I have a close friend, who also enjoys listening to Pink Floyd (we went to see them in concert together at Earls court many years ago (which was recorded - and became the Pulse CD/DVD). He gets completely different meanings from the lyrics. Then I recorded a documentary about the band (including interviewing Roger Waters), and they admitted that even they are not sure what all the lyrics mean...oh the life of boooze, sex, drugs & rock 'n roll!!
But I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment. If you look at Floyd now, they look like retired bank managers!! Wait, given their personal fortunes, they probably own banks!!
I think basically, you can read what you like into many lyrics. For example, I enjoy listening to Pink Floyd (and that shows my age!), and I find many of the lyrics quite thought-provoking, even moving. And yet, I have a close friend, who also enjoys listening to Pink Floyd (we went to see them in concert together at Earls court many years ago (which was recorded - and became the Pulse CD/DVD). He gets completely different meanings from the lyrics. Then I recorded a documentary about the band (including interviewing Roger Waters), and they admitted that even they are not sure what all the lyrics mean...oh the life of boooze, sex, drugs & rock 'n roll!!
But I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment. If you look at Floyd now, they look like retired bank managers!! Wait, given their personal fortunes, they probably own banks!!
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
Hey diss, you and me again...
Pink Floyd has some awesome music, but I don't know that much about them.
A lot of bands are just people expressing their thoughts and feelings. Like linkin PArk, they are quite a angry bunch, but I feel you can relate to their feelings within the "normal" realm of human emotions. Then there is off, rotten, disturbed, evil. This is not the fear of the unknown that makes me say this, this is using my brain.
Music and arts are not evil by nature, and I do not feel your statement about how people feel this way is correct. My personal opinion is that we can have music, art and dance because God created us in His immage. The devil does His best to take everything God created and to tist and manipulate it so that something good and perfect becomes bad and destructive. Take sex for instance, God made sex, and it is amaaaazing. Yet the devil told us that we should do it outside of Gods law, and that has been the cause of more emotional suffering on this planet than anything else. Rejection, humiliation, broken marraiges, divorce disease and AIDS all come as a result of breaking Gods rules on how He intended sex.
I would even go as far to say that if you dig a song from a band, listen to it. But the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent.
Slipknot is not good music like pink floyd, its not even good metal, it is disturbed and the lyrics are obviously aimed at corrupting people. Like I sayd, you are what you eat, eat mcD all the time and you will end up dead, pump your mind full of those lyrics and you will end up spirituallly dead.
Pink Floyd has some awesome music, but I don't know that much about them.
A lot of bands are just people expressing their thoughts and feelings. Like linkin PArk, they are quite a angry bunch, but I feel you can relate to their feelings within the "normal" realm of human emotions. Then there is off, rotten, disturbed, evil. This is not the fear of the unknown that makes me say this, this is using my brain.
Music and arts are not evil by nature, and I do not feel your statement about how people feel this way is correct. My personal opinion is that we can have music, art and dance because God created us in His immage. The devil does His best to take everything God created and to tist and manipulate it so that something good and perfect becomes bad and destructive. Take sex for instance, God made sex, and it is amaaaazing. Yet the devil told us that we should do it outside of Gods law, and that has been the cause of more emotional suffering on this planet than anything else. Rejection, humiliation, broken marraiges, divorce disease and AIDS all come as a result of breaking Gods rules on how He intended sex.
I would even go as far to say that if you dig a song from a band, listen to it. But the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent.
Slipknot is not good music like pink floyd, its not even good metal, it is disturbed and the lyrics are obviously aimed at corrupting people. Like I sayd, you are what you eat, eat mcD all the time and you will end up dead, pump your mind full of those lyrics and you will end up spirituallly dead.
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
Hey diss, you and me again...
Pink Floyd has some awesome music, but I don't know that much about them.
A lot of bands are just people expressing their thoughts and feelings. Like linkin PArk, they are quite a angry bunch, but I feel you can relate to their feelings within the "normal" realm of human emotions. Then there is off, rotten, disturbed, evil. This is not the fear of the unknown that makes me say this, this is using my brain.
Music and arts are not evil by nature, and I do not feel your statement about how people feel this way is correct. My personal opinion is that we can have music, art and dance because God created us in His immage. The devil does His best to take everything God created and to tist and manipulate it so that something good and perfect becomes bad and destructive. Take sex for instance, God made sex, and it is amaaaazing. Yet the devil told us that we should do it outside of Gods law, and that has been the cause of more emotional suffering on this planet than anything else. Rejection, humiliation, broken marraiges, divorce disease and AIDS all come as a result of breaking Gods rules on how He intended sex.
I would even go as far to say that if you dig a song from a band, listen to it. But the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent.
Slipknot is not good music like pink floyd, its not even good metal, it is disturbed and the lyrics are obviously aimed at corrupting people. Like I sayd, you are what you eat, eat mcD all the time and you will end up dead, pump your mind full of those lyrics and you will end up spirituallly dead.
Pink Floyd has some awesome music, but I don't know that much about them.
A lot of bands are just people expressing their thoughts and feelings. Like linkin PArk, they are quite a angry bunch, but I feel you can relate to their feelings within the "normal" realm of human emotions. Then there is off, rotten, disturbed, evil. This is not the fear of the unknown that makes me say this, this is using my brain.
Music and arts are not evil by nature, and I do not feel your statement about how people feel this way is correct. My personal opinion is that we can have music, art and dance because God created us in His immage. The devil does His best to take everything God created and to tist and manipulate it so that something good and perfect becomes bad and destructive. Take sex for instance, God made sex, and it is amaaaazing. Yet the devil told us that we should do it outside of Gods law, and that has been the cause of more emotional suffering on this planet than anything else. Rejection, humiliation, broken marraiges, divorce disease and AIDS all come as a result of breaking Gods rules on how He intended sex.
I would even go as far to say that if you dig a song from a band, listen to it. But the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent.
Slipknot is not good music like pink floyd, its not even good metal, it is disturbed and the lyrics are obviously aimed at corrupting people. Like I sayd, you are what you eat, eat mcD all the time and you will end up dead, pump your mind full of those lyrics and you will end up spirituallly dead.
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written by Skarlett_Fury, August 20, 2008
thenack:
You say that the roots of rock ‘n roll and metal originate from Aleister Crowley…Personally, I disagree with that but either way, I prefer to think that the tree is not its root. The roots of Christianity stem from the Bible, but the religion as it is today is not how it is in the Bible. Similarly, the roots of the English language are West-Germanic, but the language today is no longer like that.
I agree that Slipknot’s lyrics are far from pure but at the same time, the music they produce is an expression of their experiences/perceptions, just like John Keats’ poetry is an expression of his experiences and perceptions. Both poetry and music can be interpreted in a myriad of ways by anyone who reads it – so yes, maybe Slipknot can be interpreted as evil, but they can also be interpreted as artists, as musicians, as individuals who want to release their aggression through music.
Dissol says: “I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment.”
I agree with that. Just as sex sells in mainstream culture, anarchy and living-on-the-edge sells in metal/rock ‘n roll culture. So hey, Slipknot may be selling out and giving audiences what they want but at the same time, the band has become more than just music – they’re a business, selling their product.
I think that the way a person interprets the music is up to them, and I highly doubt that Slipknot (or Marilyn Manson, or Linkin Park, or Black Sabbath, or Nine Inch nails, etc) intend for their fans to go out and kill people. At the same time, I know people who have decided against committing suicide merely because of a song or an artist’s message, and I doubt that the artist intended that either.
You say: “the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent “
Does this mean that obsession with a more mainstream artist is healthy? Obsession with, for example, 50Cent, Britney Spears, Madonna – I don’t think that’s healthy at all. Again, the “questionable intent” is subjective.
Of course, I recognise that each person is entitled to their own opinion; I just don’t think that prescribing which music is ‘good’ and which music is ‘bad’ is feasible, since our experiences influence our decisions.
You say that the roots of rock ‘n roll and metal originate from Aleister Crowley…Personally, I disagree with that but either way, I prefer to think that the tree is not its root. The roots of Christianity stem from the Bible, but the religion as it is today is not how it is in the Bible. Similarly, the roots of the English language are West-Germanic, but the language today is no longer like that.
I agree that Slipknot’s lyrics are far from pure but at the same time, the music they produce is an expression of their experiences/perceptions, just like John Keats’ poetry is an expression of his experiences and perceptions. Both poetry and music can be interpreted in a myriad of ways by anyone who reads it – so yes, maybe Slipknot can be interpreted as evil, but they can also be interpreted as artists, as musicians, as individuals who want to release their aggression through music.
Dissol says: “I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment.”
I agree with that. Just as sex sells in mainstream culture, anarchy and living-on-the-edge sells in metal/rock ‘n roll culture. So hey, Slipknot may be selling out and giving audiences what they want but at the same time, the band has become more than just music – they’re a business, selling their product.
I think that the way a person interprets the music is up to them, and I highly doubt that Slipknot (or Marilyn Manson, or Linkin Park, or Black Sabbath, or Nine Inch nails, etc) intend for their fans to go out and kill people. At the same time, I know people who have decided against committing suicide merely because of a song or an artist’s message, and I doubt that the artist intended that either.
You say: “the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent “
Does this mean that obsession with a more mainstream artist is healthy? Obsession with, for example, 50Cent, Britney Spears, Madonna – I don’t think that’s healthy at all. Again, the “questionable intent” is subjective.
Of course, I recognise that each person is entitled to their own opinion; I just don’t think that prescribing which music is ‘good’ and which music is ‘bad’ is feasible, since our experiences influence our decisions.
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written by Skarlett_Fury, August 20, 2008
thenack:
You say that the roots of rock ‘n roll and metal originate from Aleister Crowley…Personally, I disagree with that but either way, I prefer to think that the tree is not its root. The roots of Christianity stem from the Bible, but the religion as it is today is not how it is in the Bible. Similarly, the roots of the English language are West-Germanic, but the language today is no longer like that.
I agree that Slipknot’s lyrics are far from pure but at the same time, the music they produce is an expression of their experiences/perceptions, just like John Keats’ poetry is an expression of his experiences and perceptions. Both poetry and music can be interpreted in a myriad of ways by anyone who reads it – so yes, maybe Slipknot can be interpreted as evil, but they can also be interpreted as artists, as musicians, as individuals who want to release their aggression through music.
Dissol says: “I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment.”
I agree with that. Just as sex sells in mainstream culture, anarchy and living-on-the-edge sells in metal/rock ‘n roll culture. So hey, Slipknot may be selling out and giving audiences what they want but at the same time, the band has become more than just music – they’re a business, selling their product.
I think that the way a person interprets the music is up to them, and I highly doubt that Slipknot (or Marilyn Manson, or Linkin Park, or Black Sabbath, or Nine Inch nails, etc) intend for their fans to go out and kill people. At the same time, I know people who have decided against committing suicide merely because of a song or an artist’s message, and I doubt that the artist intended that either.
You say: “the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent “
Does this mean that obsession with a more mainstream artist is healthy? Obsession with, for example, 50Cent, Britney Spears, Madonna – I don’t think that’s healthy at all. Again, the “questionable intent” is subjective.
Of course, I recognise that each person is entitled to their own opinion; I just don’t think that prescribing which music is ‘good’ and which music is ‘bad’ is feasible, since our experiences influence our decisions.
You say that the roots of rock ‘n roll and metal originate from Aleister Crowley…Personally, I disagree with that but either way, I prefer to think that the tree is not its root. The roots of Christianity stem from the Bible, but the religion as it is today is not how it is in the Bible. Similarly, the roots of the English language are West-Germanic, but the language today is no longer like that.
I agree that Slipknot’s lyrics are far from pure but at the same time, the music they produce is an expression of their experiences/perceptions, just like John Keats’ poetry is an expression of his experiences and perceptions. Both poetry and music can be interpreted in a myriad of ways by anyone who reads it – so yes, maybe Slipknot can be interpreted as evil, but they can also be interpreted as artists, as musicians, as individuals who want to release their aggression through music.
Dissol says: “I think that people have always been worried about the 'evil' nature of music, dance, and the arts. I would suggest that a lot of this is fear of the unknown...and many artists will even play on that...it can be good for sales to be seen to be pushing the envelope, being on the edge, being non-conformist, anti-establishment.”
I agree with that. Just as sex sells in mainstream culture, anarchy and living-on-the-edge sells in metal/rock ‘n roll culture. So hey, Slipknot may be selling out and giving audiences what they want but at the same time, the band has become more than just music – they’re a business, selling their product.
I think that the way a person interprets the music is up to them, and I highly doubt that Slipknot (or Marilyn Manson, or Linkin Park, or Black Sabbath, or Nine Inch nails, etc) intend for their fans to go out and kill people. At the same time, I know people who have decided against committing suicide merely because of a song or an artist’s message, and I doubt that the artist intended that either.
You say: “the type of obsession teens have with bands become unhealthy if the band is of questionable intent “
Does this mean that obsession with a more mainstream artist is healthy? Obsession with, for example, 50Cent, Britney Spears, Madonna – I don’t think that’s healthy at all. Again, the “questionable intent” is subjective.
Of course, I recognise that each person is entitled to their own opinion; I just don’t think that prescribing which music is ‘good’ and which music is ‘bad’ is feasible, since our experiences influence our decisions.
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
Yup, any obsession is dangerous, the roots do not make the tree, I listen to lots of roch music.
On the other hand, kids are dumb, they can be easill manipulated. Teach them to be able to distinguish.
Most bands are just bands OK, some of them are deliberately evil, and very very subtle about it. The moment you start preaching decay you are evil.
You have already agreed that music can influence peoples actions. I am not saying rock is evil, I am saying certain bands can have nothing but bad consequences. I think it is valid to say that distorted negative decay as that spewed by slipknot can not have a positive effect, why defend them so strongly?
On the other hand, kids are dumb, they can be easill manipulated. Teach them to be able to distinguish.
Most bands are just bands OK, some of them are deliberately evil, and very very subtle about it. The moment you start preaching decay you are evil.
You have already agreed that music can influence peoples actions. I am not saying rock is evil, I am saying certain bands can have nothing but bad consequences. I think it is valid to say that distorted negative decay as that spewed by slipknot can not have a positive effect, why defend them so strongly?
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written by thenack, August 20, 2008
Yup, any obsession is dangerous, the roots do not make the tree, I listen to lots of roch music.
On the other hand, kids are dumb, they can be easill manipulated. Teach them to be able to distinguish.
Most bands are just bands OK, some of them are deliberately evil, and very very subtle about it. The moment you start preaching decay you are evil.
You have already agreed that music can influence peoples actions. I am not saying rock is evil, I am saying certain bands can have nothing but bad consequences. I think it is valid to say that distorted negative decay as that spewed by slipknot can not have a positive effect, why defend them so strongly?
On the other hand, kids are dumb, they can be easill manipulated. Teach them to be able to distinguish.
Most bands are just bands OK, some of them are deliberately evil, and very very subtle about it. The moment you start preaching decay you are evil.
You have already agreed that music can influence peoples actions. I am not saying rock is evil, I am saying certain bands can have nothing but bad consequences. I think it is valid to say that distorted negative decay as that spewed by slipknot can not have a positive effect, why defend them so strongly?
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written by Shadow_Joe, August 20, 2008
Oh crap...I dig ninjas...and listen to Slipknot! Does that make me satanic? :x
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written by Shadow_Joe, August 20, 2008
Oh crap...I dig ninjas...and listen to Slipknot! Does that make me satanic? :x
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written by Dissol, August 20, 2008
Yup,I would agree that any obsession is dangerous...whether that be music, art, MacDonalds, drugs, religion, whatever.
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written by Dissol, August 20, 2008
Yup,I would agree that any obsession is dangerous...whether that be music, art, MacDonalds, drugs, religion, whatever.
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written by Skarlett_Fury, August 20, 2008
thenack:
Anyone can be manipulated, not just kids.
I don't think that certain bands have only negative consequences, not at all - again, it depends on the interpretation. Yes, Slipknot are intense but I don't think that they are telling me that I should slit someone's throat and f*** the wound. I actually find that their music helps release aggression in a way that is non-violent to myself or anyone else. So instead of punching someone who irritates me, I would rather listen to music to get rid of aggression.
I defend them so strongly because what you say would apply to more than just the one band, and I happen to listen to many bands who you may think are satanic. I identify myself as goth - which is not satanic in the least despite people believing so.
I defend the right to interpret music in my own way, acknowledging the opinions of others but refusing to let a single person define a genre as 'evil' or 'good'.
Music has a cathartic effect, and I think that if any of it is interpreted as a violent, specific message, it is only done so by a person who has the idea in his mind already. Sort of like looking for something so intently that you find it, regardless of whether it is there or not.
Anyone can be manipulated, not just kids.
I don't think that certain bands have only negative consequences, not at all - again, it depends on the interpretation. Yes, Slipknot are intense but I don't think that they are telling me that I should slit someone's throat and f*** the wound. I actually find that their music helps release aggression in a way that is non-violent to myself or anyone else. So instead of punching someone who irritates me, I would rather listen to music to get rid of aggression.
I defend them so strongly because what you say would apply to more than just the one band, and I happen to listen to many bands who you may think are satanic. I identify myself as goth - which is not satanic in the least despite people believing so.
I defend the right to interpret music in my own way, acknowledging the opinions of others but refusing to let a single person define a genre as 'evil' or 'good'.
Music has a cathartic effect, and I think that if any of it is interpreted as a violent, specific message, it is only done so by a person who has the idea in his mind already. Sort of like looking for something so intently that you find it, regardless of whether it is there or not.
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written by Skarlett_Fury, August 20, 2008
thenack:
Anyone can be manipulated, not just kids.
I don't think that certain bands have only negative consequences, not at all - again, it depends on the interpretation. Yes, Slipknot are intense but I don't think that they are telling me that I should slit someone's throat and f*** the wound. I actually find that their music helps release aggression in a way that is non-violent to myself or anyone else. So instead of punching someone who irritates me, I would rather listen to music to get rid of aggression.
I defend them so strongly because what you say would apply to more than just the one band, and I happen to listen to many bands who you may think are satanic. I identify myself as goth - which is not satanic in the least despite people believing so.
I defend the right to interpret music in my own way, acknowledging the opinions of others but refusing to let a single person define a genre as 'evil' or 'good'.
Music has a cathartic effect, and I think that if any of it is interpreted as a violent, specific message, it is only done so by a person who has the idea in his mind already. Sort of like looking for something so intently that you find it, regardless of whether it is there or not.
Anyone can be manipulated, not just kids.
I don't think that certain bands have only negative consequences, not at all - again, it depends on the interpretation. Yes, Slipknot are intense but I don't think that they are telling me that I should slit someone's throat and f*** the wound. I actually find that their music helps release aggression in a way that is non-violent to myself or anyone else. So instead of punching someone who irritates me, I would rather listen to music to get rid of aggression.
I defend them so strongly because what you say would apply to more than just the one band, and I happen to listen to many bands who you may think are satanic. I identify myself as goth - which is not satanic in the least despite people believing so.
I defend the right to interpret music in my own way, acknowledging the opinions of others but refusing to let a single person define a genre as 'evil' or 'good'.
Music has a cathartic effect, and I think that if any of it is interpreted as a violent, specific message, it is only done so by a person who has the idea in his mind already. Sort of like looking for something so intently that you find it, regardless of whether it is there or not.
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written by Osmosis13, August 22, 2008
I listen to slipknot, Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Children Of Bodom, Arch enemy amongst others, and I think it's about time I go slaughter a defenceless, watermelon and offer it to Satan.
Nah, I'd rather sit back and enjoy my music which has so far not influenced me or my wife and friends to kill or hurt other people.
It's easy to blame other and very hard to look at ourselvess and find the problem within ourselves.
Maybe just maybe the boy was messed long before he decided to kill someone...long before slipknot became the new scapegoat just as Manson was in 90's
Blame the boy not the music, or some other nonsense.
Look at the schools (how the hell did he get a sword in the school?)Then the parent's, didn't they notice anything. But most important of all.....blame the killer.
Ps. I play violent games on my PS2 and Pc, Am i going to kill someone oneday.
Nah, I'd rather sit back and enjoy my music which has so far not influenced me or my wife and friends to kill or hurt other people.
It's easy to blame other and very hard to look at ourselvess and find the problem within ourselves.
Maybe just maybe the boy was messed long before he decided to kill someone...long before slipknot became the new scapegoat just as Manson was in 90's
Blame the boy not the music, or some other nonsense.
Look at the schools (how the hell did he get a sword in the school?)Then the parent's, didn't they notice anything. But most important of all.....blame the killer.
Ps. I play violent games on my PS2 and Pc, Am i going to kill someone oneday.
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written by Osmosis13, August 22, 2008
I listen to slipknot, Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Children Of Bodom, Arch enemy amongst others, and I think it's about time I go slaughter a defenceless, watermelon and offer it to Satan.
Nah, I'd rather sit back and enjoy my music which has so far not influenced me or my wife and friends to kill or hurt other people.
It's easy to blame other and very hard to look at ourselvess and find the problem within ourselves.
Maybe just maybe the boy was messed long before he decided to kill someone...long before slipknot became the new scapegoat just as Manson was in 90's
Blame the boy not the music, or some other nonsense.
Look at the schools (how the hell did he get a sword in the school?)Then the parent's, didn't they notice anything. But most important of all.....blame the killer.
Ps. I play violent games on my PS2 and Pc, Am i going to kill someone oneday.
Nah, I'd rather sit back and enjoy my music which has so far not influenced me or my wife and friends to kill or hurt other people.
It's easy to blame other and very hard to look at ourselvess and find the problem within ourselves.
Maybe just maybe the boy was messed long before he decided to kill someone...long before slipknot became the new scapegoat just as Manson was in 90's
Blame the boy not the music, or some other nonsense.
Look at the schools (how the hell did he get a sword in the school?)Then the parent's, didn't they notice anything. But most important of all.....blame the killer.
Ps. I play violent games on my PS2 and Pc, Am i going to kill someone oneday.
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